AZTech It seems to me that the new section you quoted earlier covers this nicely, and actually the wording does seem to grandfather-in existing caches due to the 'if you are _/thinking/_ of creating such a cache' phrase. The guideline does not state that we need to get confirmation that existing caches can stand under the new guidelines, but certainly that would be a good idea. I think I will seek guidance on the issue, but I'm not sure if I should do it now amongst the certain flood of EMails about this, or perhaps wait for further clarification from TPTB before asking for specific 'permission'. ACM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AZTech wrote: > Acan you elaborate? Earlier in this discussion, ShadowAce stated the > following: > > So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging Requirements needs > be altered or archived because "You must find and prove you have found > 40 caches on a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign the > log and claim a find" > > Are you saying this is false and that since "finding 40 caches on a > Friday" is geocaching-related that a challenge cache with this > requirement is allowed? > > I'm hoping that's the case but am curious about others' > interpretation, especially given logs I've seen on a couple challenge > caches indicating (quite happily by the person writing the note) that > the cache is no longer allowed... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: AZcachemeister > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:04 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ... > > Apparently there were ALRs being created (in other areas) that did not > relate in any way to Geocaching. > So, by the new section, it seems that /Geocaching related challenges/ > are acceptable. > > ACM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > AZTech wrote: >> Well, I didn't recall seeing it before, but figured it had been added >> in previously because it doesn't seem to make much sense to have it >> given that ALRs are not binding. >> >> So, again, my original, unanswered question, why have any ALRs at all? >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, ShadowAce > @gmail.com > wrote: >> >> They did not remove that section because that section did not >> exist until the changes this week. >> >> That section "/Challenge caches incorporate special logging >> requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically >> they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable >> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify >> too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in >> your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please >> include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have >> met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other >> geocachers would be able to do so." /was just created, so >> removing it would be a fairly odd choice. >> >> On 4/5/09, *AZTech* > > wrote: >> >> I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own >> preferences, whether it be going after only tough hikes, >> difficult puzzles or simply logging as many finds as >> possible, so this just limits our options. I'm especially >> surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing caches >> and instead made the change retroactive. >> >> While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to >> see that they didn't remove the following section from the >> guidelines for Mystery or Puzzle Caches: >> >> /Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements >> and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they >> require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable >> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo >> qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in >> every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating >> such a cache, please include a note to the reviewer >> demonstrating either that you have met the challenge >> yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers >> would be able to do so./ >> >> In light of the new guideline, that /"Cache finders can >> choose whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional >> tasks"/, what's the purpose of putting out a challenge cache >> if cachers aren't required to complete the challenge to log >> the find? Why have any ALRs at all? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT >> > wrote: >> >> Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way. >> Too many rules have killed many an organization and put >> bad tastes in the mouths of the members. >> >> My thoughts. >> Mel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* ShadowAce >> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM >> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ... >> >> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388 >> >> Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed. >> >> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging >> Requirements needs be altered or archived because >> "You must find and prove you have found 40 caches on >> a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign >> the log and claim a find" >> >> Please make sure you note the changes to the >> guidelines dates April 2009: >> >> 3. *A section called Logging of All Physical >> Caches >> >> has been added to the guidelines.* >> >> QUOTE >> Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the >> physical log has been signed. >> >> If it is appropriate for your cache location or >> theme, you may ask the cache seeker to accomplish an >> optional and simple task, either close to the cache >> site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or >> when writing their online log. For example, wear the >> goofy hat inside the cache container and upload a >> photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not >> to attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners >> may not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on >> optional tasks. >> >> This guideline change applies immediately to all logs >> written from April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older >> caches with "additional logging requirements" (ALRs) >> are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If >> you own an existing cache with mandatory additional >> logging requirements, we request that you: >> >> * Cease deleting logs based on additional logging >> requirements. >> * Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR >> can be made into an optional and simple task, >> or whether it must be removed altogether. >> * Adjust your geocache listing by editing the >> text then contact a reviewer to change the >> cache type, if appropriate. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >