I agree Gale. I appreciate being mentioned regarding the CITO cleanups, and it's the truth. The opportunity was presented via azgeocaching.com, because I knew that many AZ cachers didn't spend time on the forums and could have easily missed a thread there due to the sheer number of posts/threads and how many levels down things actually go. The best way to gauge interest is to go right to those who participate here. But you are right. I found out about caching from a Fox10 story on August 23, 2001, and it wasn't too long after that life began that I discovered azgeocaching.com, and used the data the site provided to plan all of my caching adventures. It wasn't until gc.com started hosing the data extraction that I migrated away and began using PQs to plan my cache trips. I still spent quite a bit of time on the site, and enjoyed the friendly ribbing given/received about the stats and how such-and-such person was coming after me to pass me up in the ranking. It was this community that made caching such a blast for me. I might not have met/cached with some of the people I have if it wasn't for the listserv, as many of them again, don't read the forums. Such an acknowledgement is only fitting, for the amount of growth fostered by azgeocaching.com's existence. Brian Team A.I. _____ From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New look at GC.com Wow, you are right. Talk about biting the hand that feeds them. That state organization is the binding entity that got us (well mostly you Steve, and others here) to work to put geocaching in a positive light locally. It is azgeocaching.com that has done so much to promote geocaching here. If it wasnt for azgeocaching.com, I am not sure if I would be into geocaching as much as Mike and I are. It wasnt gc.com but Brian through the community on azgc.com that got the CITOs on the local highway cleanup. It wasnt gc.com, but Steve through the community on azgc.com that worked with local agencies on their geocaching policies. It was the community through azgc.com that made caching good here, not gc.com. Artemis, I know you read this listserv. Do you see the importance of the community in azgeocaching? Can you talk to Jeremy about allowing local organizations like azgeocaching to have a link on the state page? Otherwise it may be difficult to get the new people into community awareness and good caching PR. As for me, I will be placing links to azgeocaching.com in all my pages and in my sigline. I will be welcoming newbies who post on my cache pages, and give them the azgeocaching link. Team Tierra Buena wrote: It's not on the "My Account" page, but one recent difference I've noticed is that the "Search by State" pages used to have links to the various organizations, websites, etc., for that state (e.g., the Arizona page would have a link to azgeocaching.com). All those links now appear to be gone. Guess gc.com can't bear any form of "competition". Steve Team Tierra Buena ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 _____ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.