----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58
PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the
Caching gods
Okay, I too am now upset! I just
sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to read
new posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over
to Members Only caches. I also expressed my feelings
about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of my
finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott
- I will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the
numbers game!
Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated
geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that
I too become a member. I responded with my feelings
and why I cannot afford to become a member at this time.
Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches.
Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but
in turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)
Rand (RandMan)
----- Original Message -----
From:
Scott Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49
AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For
the Caching gods
Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this
one definetly irritates me. I
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I
do enjoy looking at the stats and the
numbers (for my own pleasure
of course, not for competitive purposes). I am
a bit annoyed that 9
of my in state cache finds now show up as out of state.
This is
the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are
caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What
happens is
that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore
it doesnt crawl
the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard
anyways). At any rate, the AZ
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO
caches and they show up in the out of
state file. (anyone who knows
me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and
probably always
will!).
I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a
'free' cache, it
should remain that way for the life of the cache.
If someone chooses to make
their caches members only, they should do
so with only the new caches that
they place and not turn all their
old caches into MO caches. I know
Highpointer recently commented on
this on the listserve a few days ago and
that he was going to change
his caches over to MO. I understand his views on
the subject.
However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches
open
to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones
into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into
MO... I no
longer can look back on those caches and read my logs
(diary if you will) of
my experiences at those caches (as I am not a
member of geocaching.com; that
is a whole nuther' thread, I am
sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider
changing his old caches
back to non-MO.
I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches,
he hides some good ones. I
also very much appreciate his seeking my
cache on Stewart Mountain and the
comments he left there. I think me
and Highpointer share many of the same
views on geocaching and enjoy
doing the same types of caches.
I guess I will not be able to do
anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not
a member of
geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his
new
caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members of
geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use
if he
chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older
caches open
to all.
Scott
Team
Ropingthewind