----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58
PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the
Caching gods
Okay, I too am now upset! I just
sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to read new
posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over
to Members Only caches. I also expressed my feelings
about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of my
finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott
- I will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the
numbers game!
Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated
geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that I too
become a member. I responded with my feelings and why I
cannot afford to become a member at this time.
Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches.
Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but in
turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)
Rand (RandMan)
----- Original Message -----
From:
Scott Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49
AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the
Caching gods
Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one
definetly irritates me. I
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do
enjoy looking at the stats and the
numbers (for my own pleasure of
course, not for competitive purposes). I am
a bit annoyed that 9 of my
in state cache finds now show up as out of state.
This is the
result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are
caches
that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is
that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt
crawl
the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any
rate, the AZ
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up
in the out of
state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out
of state finds and
probably always will!).
I personally beleive
that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it
should remain
that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make
their
caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that
they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know
Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago
and
that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand
his views on
the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should
keep your old caches
open to all and if you want members only, perhaps
only turn your new ones
into MO. The other problem I have with old
caches changing into MO... I no
longer can look back on those caches
and read my logs (diary if you will) of
my experiences at those caches
(as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that
is a whole nuther'
thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider
changing his
old caches back to non-MO.
I have always enjoyed doing
Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I
also very much
appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the
comments
he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same
views
on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.
I guess I
will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not
a
member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his
new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to
members of
geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to
him to use if he
chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep
his older caches open
to all.
Scott
Team
Ropingthewind