----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58
PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the
Caching gods
Okay, I too am now upset! I just
sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to read new
posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over
to Members Only caches. I also expressed my feelings
about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of my finds
and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott - I
will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the numbers
game!
Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated
geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that I too
become a member. I responded with my feelings and why I
cannot afford to become a member at this time.
Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches.
Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but in
turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)
Rand (RandMan)
----- Original Message -----
From:
Scott Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49
AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the
Caching gods
Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one
definetly irritates me. I
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy
looking at the stats and the
numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not
for competitive purposes). I am
a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state
cache finds now show up as out of state.
This is the result of 8 AZ
caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are
caches that previously
(when I found them), where not MO. What happens is
that the
AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl
the MO
cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the AZ
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of
state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds
and
probably always will!).
I personally beleive that if a cache
is started out as a 'free' cache, it
should remain that way for the life
of the cache. If someone chooses to make
their caches members only, they
should do so with only the new caches that
they place and not turn all
their old caches into MO caches. I know
Highpointer recently commented
on this on the listserve a few days ago and
that he was going to change
his caches over to MO. I understand his views on
the subject. However,
Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches
open to all and if
you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones
into MO. The
other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no
longer can
look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of
my
experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that
is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will
reconsider
changing his old caches back to non-MO.
I have always
enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I
also very
much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the
comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the
same
views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of
caches.
I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's
caches as I am not
a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no
problem with his making his
new caches MO, Members Only caches are
available as an option to members of
geocaching.com and that is an
option that is available to him to use if he
chooses to. I just wish he
would reconsider and keep his older caches open
to
all.
Scott
Team
Ropingthewind