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This cache is extremely under rated. It's rated as a 1.5 for both difficulty and terrain. To anyone that has traveled the Old Apache Trail, this is at least 5 times worse. This is a 40 round trip even though the GPS says the cache in only 12 miles away. The road is extremely narrow and rough. To top that off the cache is a mile hike once and if you make it down to the river. You are also required to wade knee-deep through the river to the other side. Do not attempt this cache with a low clearance vehicle. 4WD is not required but I'd highly recommend it. Allow yourself at least 3-4 hours to get this one. I doubt we'll be trying this one again anytime soon.