Here are some of the seriously extreme ones I've seen in the past: Erta Ale Volcano (GCB5D7) Ethiopia http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=1dbe8a3d-1d7f-4d05-93cb-23421a06bcaa The description alone gives me the willies. "To lean over the crater without protection is out of the question. Just to have a quick look, one must position gloved hands in front of the face. Aluminium, fire-proof clothing Nomex is a must. To protect the eyes, a sheet of polished gold must be used; it is only few microns thick and so see-through." --- Rainbow Hydrothermal Vents (GCG822) Off the coast of Portugal http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=adc42ce8-1aa0-42c7-b00e-4488a098105d Placed by Richard Garriott, AKA Lord British, the man behind the "Ultima" and "Ultima Online" series of computer games, with aid of a Russian Mir submersible 2300 meters underwater. A first find is still available. :) --- Tube Torcher (GC3CC9) North Carolina http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=75b571d8-27dd-40ba-a956-f5b0614d7404 A must-do cache in North Carolina. Looks like a favorite test of geocaching prowess. --- Finishing up with the most involved caches I have personally done : Snakes and Ladders (GCJG08) Escondido, California http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b4ed7418-4178-414d-bb09-383e92a475aa A monstrosity of a multi-cache. The number of waypoints, depending on how many wrong turns you make, can vary between 15 to 30. The waypoints are also definitely of the "outside the box" kind. --- And a shout out to Tucson's cruelest puzzle cache: Giggles (GCHB6V) Tucson, Arizona http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=2be7d04c-d99e-491d-abcc-2c3b5abd77d3 Even if you never get a chance to hit the Old Pueblo to attempt this one, reading the logs are worth the price of admission. --- Dave, The Cow Spots --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!