How tragic, Just these past 2 weeks alone I have encountered several people who want to kill themselves, something I never encountered before (yes most of them were prevented). Very sad world today. Brian, I hope and pray you recover soon from the experience. Brian Casteel wrote: Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm. I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw driver slumped over). She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of her problems' that way. Just a warning to everyone out caching that it is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems. As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location. Her truck was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is certainly a vivid memory. Brian Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now