I think designation as wilderness is automatically too extreme. For example, wilderness prohibits almost all access by disabled persons, since vehicles, including wheel chairs, are excluded. I am surprised nobody has sued under ADA. There are other designations that can protect an area without being so elitist. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: gale and mike >From: Eric Quinn >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >So we swing from one extreme to another.