Within the past few minutes finished a review of the cache placing information provided by Ground speak. First, the information seems straight forward and well presented. The discussion of virtual and the reluctance of approvers to grant them tweaked my interest. I found nothing there indicating a reluctance toward virtual, nevertheless find the trend of postings mentioning virtual somewhat alarming and it leaves me wondering. As sometimes tourists, quite often we find ourselves in surroundings where the only thing familiar is the map. That's how we got into this game to begin with. We've learned that a check of virtual listed in the area is perhaps the most rapid way to become familiar with our surroundings. Plus, it adds a whole new dimension to tourism, without mentioning the economical advantages. A good example is the area surrounding Acadia NP in Maine where there is hardly a single overlook or historical point not represented by a visual- great stuff! Similarly, we have the Superstitions in the east Valley rift with legends, overlooks, hikes and sites of geological and photographic interests that can only be exploited by virtual. Side issue: Over a wonderful lifetime have become wary of special interest groups who tend to create needs for regulations and organizations to establish boundaries. This same wariness is multiplied once regulators assert themselves. Yet, it's unfortunate that even a brief conversation with a park ranger, or public lands administrator out here reveals an incredible level of hostility toward geocaching in general. Why? Are we unwittingly creating our own suicide by getting too obvious or aggressive? After all, the whole activity is based upon stealth or is that the problem to begin with? Cord Harris: Team Doublebogie6 Rant terminated, Low Batteries!