When I left Arizona, the fire was obviously huge then. I recall the high SSW side of the mountain and up to Summerhaven being burned. How much of the mountain is burned now? Isnt Redington Pass in far East Tucson!? Has the fire gone that far east? I also recall them saying something about Oracle possibly being threatened? Has the fire stopped traveling north and now moving east? How much of the mountain has been burned? This is pretty sad to see. I have only visited the top of Mnt Lemmon a couple of times and it has been years since I was last up there. Wish I had gone up there more often (I havent gotten any of the caches up there either, for that now unimportant matter). It is really sad to hear if it was indeed human caused. Have they yet determined the cause of it yet? I recalled hearing something about it being human caused. It doesnt matter how much you preach to people about how dry the forests are and about the restrictions in place and yet some idiot throws a cigerette out the window or starts a campfire at night. I remember last summer when there was severe ristrictions in place (but parts of Tonto were still open at the time), we went caching up around state route 188 a bit south of Young. There is a campground there near the waterfalls (cant remember names here). I remember driving up the dirt road and seeing a couple of RV's camped out there and there was a good size campfire going (even though there was the sign at the entrance stating level of fire danger being severe). IDIOTS!!! They ought to throw people in jail for that rather then just fine them. Are they really that oblivious to the restrictions? There are a few good size forest fires in the eastern Washington forests up here as well. But, nothing to the scale of the Apsen Fire. Also, some fires in Oregon as well. I am on the west side of the Cascade Mnts and the forests are a bit wetter over here. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus