Sounds like Larry's Dad George could have used a little help on his recent trip to "Two of Seven" near Prescott. I've done this one, it is a pretty hard climb. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=14191 So, Larry, maybe you need to teach him to use the backtrack feature on the GPS (or get him a GPS that HAS a backtrack feature??) George, I am very glad that you made it out OK, and rest assured that we (Jeep Posse) would have quickly found you if you had remained lost! (assuming somebody knew where you went....and would call the Sheriff when you didn't come back...) :-) Trisha "Lightning" Prescott www.ycjp.org