At 12:26 AM 4/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Why? if it is still there - it was a very challenging cache and would >think still enjoyable. Does anyone know the owner? and are the still around? Is a cache abandoned if people are still finding it? There has been talk on the geocaching.com forums about automatically archiving a cache if the owner hasn't logged onto the site in a certain period of time. I think that if a cache is still in decent shape, and people are still enjoying the cache, it is not abandoned, even if the owner left the game. Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com