wait I think it might stay around for a spell it is a well thought out well hidden cache ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ayre" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > Dan, > > Thanks for this suggestion. I will give it a try! > Even if it works, I think I will still keep my own copies of logs, just > incase the geocaching.com site dissappears overnight sometime in the future. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, > Dan > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:11 AM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > > > It wouldn't take a total re-log of your old finds. > > As noted, archived caches don't get their pages updated...usually. It only > takes a modification to any of the logs or the cache itself and > geocaching.com will regenerate the page and update all the information. > > So, for those caches with 'Groover' as the team name still being displayed, > go edit your log. Add a space or something, save the changes, and it should > update the information on the cache page to reflect the current state of > affairs. azgeocaching.com will pick up the changes the next time it polls > the archived cache database. Since azgeocaching.com doesn't have direct > access to the geocaching.com database, they crawl the pages and just parse > out what is displayed 'on the screen', so to speak. If you can get > geocaching.com up update the pre-rendered cache page that is displayed, > everything will work as desired. > > BTW, this isn't just for caches that have been archived. If an active cache > hasn't been logged in quite a while, it too will have the 'outdated' > information such as team names and numbers of finds. > > At least that's how I believe it works. Anyone? > LazyK - Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > > > Andy, > > It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log all of > your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds. Geocaching > lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate history. > > As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or bandwidth. > Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by many > crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism. I'm willing > to bet that the issue is simply resources. Design and implementation of a > system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult task. Look > how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme. And that's a time > critical issue. I imagine of more people were willing to register we would > see much better services in exchange. Personally, I don't much care if > people choose register. We just need to be aware of the implications of > those decisions. I chose to register because I'm interested in seeing new > features like this. > > CacheLess > Bill Tomlinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Ayre > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > > > I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that > geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it with > sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into specific > sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access to the AZ only > caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in terms of rivalry > worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the bandwidth used). > > We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has > completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as it > relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get their pages > re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to "groover" > on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com database > must be correct. > > As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my own web > site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate in my > own database and know it is always correct and accurate. Unfortunately I > don't have time to write code to generate graphs and other wonderful stuff > that can be found on azgeocaching.com. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott > Nicol > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > > > > > Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. I > am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and the > numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I am > a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of state. > > This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are > caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is > that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl > the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the AZ > stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of > state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and > probably always will!). > > I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it > should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make > their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that > they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know > Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago and > that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his views on > the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches > open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones > into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no > longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of > my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that > is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider > changing his old caches back to non-MO. > > I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I > also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the > comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same > views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches. > > I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not > a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his > new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members of > geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if he > chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches open > to all. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > >From: Brian Cluff > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods > >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700 > > > >Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously > >available to anyone, they will show up as out of state. > > > >Brian Cluff > >Team Snaptek > > > >Regan Smith wrote: > > > >>Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only > >>Caches? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com