I have notised that a lot of people that place Caches use different ratings. When we place a cache we have been using the suggested Rating when we fill out the form ( http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs/ ). That is why it looks like we have set some high numbers. These caches are a lot easyer than they look. Then again I see some that have a rating of 2 or 3 that are really tuff. Does anyone else see that? Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/