Brian Cluff of Team Snaptek wrote: >................... When I originally changed to this formula, it >was approx. a 45:1 ratio, and in only a couple of months has changed to a >64.8:1 ratio. So you could currently find 128 caches with only one hide >and still have a positive cache karma (Just barely). > Not in reality. I think there is a bug in the ratio thing. First, to your point of 128 finds with one hide and having positive cache karma, look at RandMan, currently 43th in the list (when you click on the team stats link and don't resort the list). He has 129 found in AZ with 1 hide, and his karma is -64.2. (Not picking on RandMan, but I needed an easy datapoint). You can find others in this same range and see the results are similar. Also, and this is the bigger bug in my opinion, is that your first hide gets you no improvement in karma. Look at ZenBabes and Jeepster, currently 81st and 82nd in the list. They both have 66 AZ finds, but one has hidden one cache, the other has no hides. They both have a karma of -1.2. (Not picking on these fine folks either). So, you see, something is wrong here. I always wondered about this, but never bothered to report the bug. I was all excited to see how my karma would jump after placing our first cache, and was disappointed when nothing happened. So, we had to go place a second one right away. :^) Thanks for listening, -- Jim - Team 8 Feet