Cody,

I don't think you're overreacting to the seriousness of what these folks
did, but I don't think archiving the cache solves anything (unless the
property owners have asked you to do so because of what happened).

I remember when Frobro Goose was just starting out (and I'm not picking
on him), he logged the McDowell Cache during the fire closures. His log
reads something like, "There was an 'area closed' sign, but I went in
anyway." It's not my cache, but I happened to see the log. Frankly, it
angered me so much at the time that I literally couldn't think straight
about the situation. I just came here to the list server to vent just
like you.

Someone else (if I knew who I would publicly thank them) read my rant
and did what I should have done instead of just squawking. They emailed
Goose and pointed out that such actions could jeopardize Geocaching.
What happened? Goose joined the list server, apologized to everyone
here, got the other Frobros involved in Geocaching, and generally became
a positive contributor.

The downside, sadly, is that everyone on the McDowell Sonoran Preserve
Commission, which is responsible for the land on which the McDowell
cache lives, knows about his log entry. They interpret it as,
"Geocachers not only don't obey the rules, they brag about breaking
them". So it may be that in the case of "Hall of Flame" the damage has
already been done.

Regardless, my suggestions would be to assume that these cachers were
unthinking rather than malicious, email them, and ask them to consider
the potential for harm to Geocaching in what they did. If it's simply
that they weren't thinking, you'll get them started doing so. And then
we'll just hope that there isn't any huge fallout from their
thoughtlessness.

Steve
Team Tierra Buena

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cody Brown
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:24 PM
> To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hall of Flame Cache...
> 
> 
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=24406

This is in regards to our "Hall of Flame" cache that many of you have
visited.  We recently had a couple of visitors to this cache that
blatently crossed the line as far as Geocachers go.  This cache is on
private property with specific visiting hours being listed on the cache
page.  This is a perfect example of where us as Geocachers get a bad
name.  This cache is now in jeopardy of being archived to protect the
Geocaching name.

Have I over-reacted to this violation or do I have a valid argument?

Thanks,
Cody
Team CBX2

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