Thank you very much for sharing the permit information with us!!!

Sweepea

>From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: <az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Permits for El Camino del Diablo
>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:43:27 -0700
>
>Judi and I got our permits today in preparation for doing the El Camino
>del Diablo cache in January. I'll try to pass along as much information
>as I can here.
>
>A single permit is good for the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range
>(BMGR), the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, and the Sand Tanks
>area of the Sonoran Desert National Monument. Everyone age 18 or over
>who enters any of these areas must have an individual permit. Visitors
>17 and under must be escorted by a permit holder.
>
>In order to obtain a permit, you must visit one of the offices where
>they are issued (more on this later) and view a 22-minute video. It
>covers most of the rules and regulations, and it's somewhere between
>interesting and enjoyable to watch. You can then fill out the "hold
>harmless" agreement, which basically says you promise not to sue the
>government if a bomb lands on your car, and then they'll hand you a
>permit. Figure on a total of 30-45 minutes at the office, unless you
>have to wait for someone else to finish watching the video (we didn't).
>
>According to the documentation they gave us with the permit, the only
>visitors who are REQUIRED to watch the video are those visiting portions
>of what is sometimes known as "BMGR East". That area is all northeast of
>Ajo and east of SR 85. If that information is correct, then you MAY not
>need to see the video in order to get a permit for getting to the El
>Camino del Diablo cache, but you'll need to check on that. Tell whoever
>you're talking to that you're only planning to be in the area between
>Wellton and Tule Well, but don't be surprised if you're told you have to
>see the video anyway. The ladies who helped us knew nothing about the
>range or its geography, they just knew we weren't getting a permit
>without seeing the video.
>
>Again, according to their documentation, the only places that have the
>video are the two BLM offices in Phoenix, and the Luke AFB Auxiliary
>Field south of Gila Bend on SR-85. (I guess nobody in Tucson ever goes
>to the BMGR.) Don't know about hours for all of them but the BLM office
>we went to (7th Avenue just south of Deer Valley) is open M-F 7:30-4:15,
>though they ask you arrive by 3:15 if you're getting the permit. If you
>don't need to see the video then you should be able to apply by mail.
>All permits expire June 30.
>
>If you want to try doing it by phone/mail, I'd suggest contacting the
>Cabeza Prieta office. They probably have the best knowledge about the
>geography and the lowest volume of calls, etc.:
>
>Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge
>
>611 North Second Ave.
>
>Ajo, AZ 85321
>
>520-387-6483
>
>Steve
>
>Team Tierra Buena
>
>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
>Barry
>


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