We found several C w/T's caches this last weekend and thought they were all great; nicely camouflaged, well hidden, and in interesting places. We hope they continue to do their thing 'cuz we've really had a good time from their efforts. As for this forum; well, there are occasionally things said that the authors didn't mean to be taken the way they were. But ya' know, every chat or use group that ever was suffers from the same frailty. Sometimes there are subjects that an individual member should just leave alone; to wit, I'm still so mad at Christine Leonard that I can't discuss the issue rationally. Keep on cachin' Dick CJ -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:16 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #697 - 10 msgs Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com You can reach the person managing the list at az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CHICKS with TRUCKS - our reply (PixceeDust@aol.com) 2. Re: RE:PDA (Bill) 3. RE: Travel Bug Sheet (Team Tierra Buena) 4. RE: YAANF!!!!! - Yet Again Another New Feature!!! (Team Tierra Buena) 5. introduction (Heather Drake) 6. YAALWP! (Yet Again Another Long-Winded Posting!) (Team Tierra Buena) 7. Re: introduction (Eric Quinn) 8. Re: YAALWP! (Yet Again Another Long-Winded Posting!) (Eric Quinn) 9. RE: introduction (Team Tierra Buena) 10. Re: introduction (Regan Smith) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: PixceeDust@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:36:13 EDT To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CHICKS with TRUCKS - our reply Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com --part1_14c.14830ef4.2abfe62d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is going to be our one and only post that you will ever see from us on this site. We are in this for fun, not politics and debates. There are several points we would like to make: 1. Most importantly, this is a game! 2. If our caches meet the requirements set by geocaching.com that is ALL that matters. 3. We do not do this for stats. We don't now, nor will we ever. 4. We see this as a game of "hide and seek". We will continue to hide and to seek. If those numbers are a close ratio, we don't care. 5. We will continue to hide as many caches as we want and where we want so long as geocaching.com continues to approve them. 6. We maintain ALL our caches and will only place them in locations we are willing to go back to for the purpose of maintainence. 7. If for ANY reason you don't care for our caches, DON'T GO TO THEM. For a BRIEF explaination of why we place them where we do (not that it is ANYONES business), none of us are into long hikes for different reasons. Some simply don't like to hike and another has medical restrictions. For those reasons, we prefer easy walks and drive-bys. We appreciate other easy caches and we know there are other people out there with diabilities, limitations, young children, etc who do appreciate us hiding easy ones. We are not offended or upset that we can't or don't want to go to a top of a mountain to find a cache. We simply don't do it and certainly do not critisize anyone for placing them there. We expect the same respect from others. If we want your opinion, we will ask for it. If you find a REAL problem with one of our caches (such as damage, a filled up log book, a missing cache or something similar) then of course, let us know. We thank everyone who has given us support through this ordeal and look forward to running into you on cache hunt. -Chicks with Trucks --part1_14c.14830ef4.2abfe62d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is going to be our one and only post that you will ever see from us on this site.  We are in this for fun, not politics and debates.  

There are several points we would like to make:

1. Most importantly, this is a game!
2. If our caches meet the requirements set by geocaching.com that is ALL that matters.
3.  We do not do this for stats.  We don't now, nor will we ever.  
4.  We see this as a game of "hide and seek".  We will continue to hide and to seek.  If those numbers are a close ratio, we don't care.
5.  We will continue to hide as many caches as we want and where we want so long as geocaching.com continues to approve them.
6.  We maintain ALL our caches and will only place them in locations we are willing to go back to for the purpose of maintainence.
7.  If for ANY reason you don't care for our caches, DON'T GO TO THEM.

For a BRIEF explaination of why we place them where we do (not that it is ANYONES business), none of us are into long hikes for different reasons.  Some simply don't like to hike and another has medical restrictions.  For those reasons, we prefer easy walks and drive-bys.  We appreciate other easy caches and we know there are other people out there with diabilities, limitations, young children, etc who do appreciate us hiding easy ones.  We are not offended or upset that we can't or don't want to go to a top of a mountain to find a cache.  We simply don't do it and certainly do not critisize anyone for placing them there.  We expect the same respect from others.  If we want your opinion, we will ask for it.  If you find a REAL problem with one of our caches (such as damage, a filled up log book, a missing cache or something similar) then of course, let us know.

We thank everyone who has given us support through this ordeal and look forward to running into you on cache hunt.

-Chicks with Trucks --part1_14c.14830ef4.2abfe62d_boundary-- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bill" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE:PDA Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:56:04 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com I just had to chime in here. I can't help myself. I know it is stylish and everything to knock Windows, but as I sit here typing this email, my computer (running Windows XP Pro) has been up for a bit over 5 weeks. Even 5 weeks ago, I rebooted it because a program I had just installed needed it to be rebooted, not because it was crashed. I have a lot of clients running Windows on their servers, and many haven't rebooted in months -- one I know of has been up since we installed the system in March, for example. Just my personal experience. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Sever" > you turn it on manually, it still has problems turning on. As far as > the OS, I'm rebooting the thing almost every other day (It is windows, > what can you expect), however the integration with the Outlook, Word, > Excel, Access, are great. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Travel Bug Sheet Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:32:58 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > This info was passed through the MIGO mail and thought it > might be of some interest back in Arizona. > > Loran (Team Sand Dollar) > > ******************* > > For anyone who's planning to release a travel bug, here's a > handy link that I came across on the Travel Bug forum at Groundspeak: > http://www.xsnrg.com/geocachingwa/asp/travelbugsheet1.asp What a great idea! Thanks for sending it on, Loran. Hope things are going well for you. Steve Team Tierra Buena --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] YAANF!!!!! - Yet Again Another New Feature!!! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:32:58 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > you can now sort caches by distance from each other ... > also custom cache books... In the immortal words of Maynard G. Krebs, "I'm gettin' all misty inside..." YAHTY!!!!! (Yet Another Huge Thank You!) Steve Team Tierra Buena --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:47:11 -0700 From: Heather Drake To: Subject: [Az-Geocaching] introduction Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Hiya to all you AZ geocachers! My name is Heather (I go by Darsantre in my log sigs) and I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm new to this sport/hobby and first heard about it on channel 12 news. After seeing that report, I thought to myself 'hey, I can do this!' So I bought a Garmin eTrex and went out searching. Boy has this been a challenge! I found my first cache on Sept. 14; in 8 days I've found 10 caches. And I've been doing some serious looking! I know to you experienced cachers, the urban cachers are "just too easy," but I'm getting frustrated at my lack of finding the "easy" ones. Some sites I've been to about 5 times and still haven't come across the cache containers. However, I love the fact that I'm up early and out of the house on the weekends and _doing_ something interesting that I'm finding challenging and enjoyable! A little about me: I'm 32, single, a professional educator, have two wonderful woofies (a Black Lab & a Lhasa Apso), love to travel, speak German and Spanish, and am working on a second Master's degree at ASU. I've been telling my sister in England and friends in Belgium, Hong Kong, Germany and Kazakhstan about this sport. They've all told me to visit them and they would gladly join me in the hunt. :) Well, I'm sorry that I missed the potluck today, but I hope to meet other cachers soon! Bye for now, Darsantre --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:50:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] YAALWP! (Yet Again Another Long-Winded Posting!) Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C26282.013B4FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the issues I've been wrestling with as we approach The Meeting on Friday is how the growth of Geocaching increases the probability of things happening on cache hunts that I think we'd all agree are undesirable. I'm talking about everything from trailblazing to failing to properly re-hide a cache. I think that many times these types of things happen not out of malice but out of inexperience. I can think of many things that Judi and I did or didn't do on our earlier cache hunts that still make me shudder with embarrassment. One of the things one gains from experience is the realization that you once goofed, but you're sure not going to goof that way again in the future. But more beginners means more goof potential. Here's a couple of stats I just pulled of azgeocaching.com: There were 209 teams with one AZ cache and no out of state finds. Besides those, there were 478 more teams with 5 or fewer AZ finds AND 5 or fewer Out-of-State finds (trying to eliminate experienced cachers who find one or two while vacationing here). Now, even if we assume that half of the finds in the second group are locationless caches based in Arizona (Yellow Jeep Fever, Carousel, etc.), that's still over 400 "Neocachers" that are or have been caching in our state. As a point of comparison, I think when we started caching about a year ago, finding your first cache automatically put you into the top 300 in Arizona. Unlike many of you, I can't even remember how we learned about Geocaching. But how many of you can remember how (or when) you learned about azgeocaching.com? (Brian and Jason excepted, of course.) Or the list server? I'll bet that the subscribers to this list server (counting the untold numbers of you who read and don't post) have hidden somewhere between a quarter and a half of all the caches in the state. Here's what I propose (and it wouldn't surprise me if some of you are doing it already): Every time you get a notification that someone's logged one of your caches, check out the team name. If you don't recognize it, go to the log page and check out their find count. If they're Neocachers (let's say five finds or fewer), send 'em an email! Welcome them into the fold, thank them for finding (or hunting) your cache, let them know about azgeocaching.com, invite them to the listserv, and offer to help them with any questions they have. If they wrote about anything in the log that seems as though they were struggling, mention it to them and offer to help them out with it. Send them your email address, so they don't have to go back through geocaching.com. (If you want, check out their other finds first, and email those cache owners to see if they've beaten you to it, but it's probably better if they get two or three welcomes than none.) In other words, become a Geomentor. I'd love to have us able to tell the land managers on Friday that this is one of the things we do to promote responsible Geocaching. Please let me know what you think. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C26282.013B4FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
One of = the issues=20 I've been wrestling with as we approach The Meeting on Friday is how the = growth=20 of Geocaching increases the probability of things happening on cache = hunts that=20 I think we'd all agree are undesirable. I'm talking about everything = from=20 trailblazing to failing to properly re-hide a cache.
 
I = think that many=20 times these types of things happen not out of malice but out of = inexperience. I=20 can think of many things that Judi and I did or didn't do on our earlier = cache=20 hunts that still make me shudder with embarrassment. One of the things = one gains=20 from experience is the realization that you once goofed, but you're sure = not=20 going to goof that way again in the future.
 
But = more beginners=20 means more goof potential. Here's a couple of stats I just pulled of = azgeocaching.com:=20 There=20 were 209 teams with one AZ cache and no out of state finds. Besides = those, there=20 were 478 more teams with 5 or fewer AZ finds AND 5 or fewer = Out-of-State finds=20 (trying to eliminate experienced cachers who find one or two while = vacationing=20 here). Now, even if we assume that half of the finds in the second group = are=20 locationless caches based in Arizona (Yellow Jeep Fever, Carousel, = etc.), that's=20 still over 400 "Neocachers" that are or have been caching in our state. = As a=20 point of comparison, I think when we started caching about a year ago, = finding=20 your first cache automatically put you into the top 300 in=20 Arizona.
 
Unlike = many of=20 you, I can't even remember how we learned about Geocaching. But how many = of you=20 can remember how (or when) you learned about azgeocaching.com? (Brian = and Jason=20 excepted, of course.) Or the list server?
 
I'll = bet that the=20 subscribers to this list server (counting the untold numbers of you who = read and=20 don't post) have hidden somewhere between a quarter and a half of all = the caches=20 in the state. Here's what I propose (and it wouldn't surprise me = if some=20 of you are doing it already): Every time you get a notification that = someone's=20 logged one of your caches, check out the team name. If you don't = recognize it,=20 go to the log page and check out their find count. If they're Neocachers = (let's=20 say five finds or fewer), send 'em an email! Welcome them into the fold, = thank=20 them for finding (or hunting) your cache, let them know about = azgeocaching.com,=20 invite them to the listserv, and offer to help them with any questions = they=20 have. If they wrote about anything in the log that seems as though they = were=20 struggling, mention it to them and offer to help them out with it. Send = them=20 your email address, so they don't have to go back through = geocaching.com.=20 (If you=20 want, check out their other finds first, and email those cache owners to = see if=20 they've beaten you to it, but it's probably better if they get two or = three=20 welcomes than none.) In other words, become a Geomentor. =
 
I'd = love to have=20 us able to tell the land managers on Friday that this is one of the = things we do=20 to promote responsible Geocaching. Please let me know what you=20 think.
 
Steve
Team = Tierra=20 Buena
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C26282.013B4FD0-- --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Quinn Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] introduction To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com --- Heather Drake wrote: Welcome to our hobby. > I know to you experienced cachers, the urban > cachers are "just too easy," but I'm getting > frustrated at my lack of finding the "easy" ones. Don't give up, once you get the hang of how AZ cachers think, it'll be easier. One nice thing is that there are a lot of types of caches for you to choose from. > I've been telling my sister in England and > friends in Belgium, Hong Kong, Germany and > Kazakhstan about this sport. They've all > told me to visit them and they would gladly > join me in the hunt. :) Get the one in Hong Kong interested for sure, I need someone to find one I left in Aberdeen. I was supposed to go back but the trips get cancelled. :/ Eric Team Dragon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Quinn Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] YAALWP! (Yet Again Another Long-Winded Posting!) To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > In other words, become a Geomentor. Great idea Steve! Let's be proactive in keeping the trouble away. Someone is more likely to ask questions if they have already "met" someone else. Eric TD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] introduction Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:13:21 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > My name is Heather HI, HEATHER! > I know to you experienced cachers, the urban cachers are > "just too easy," but I'm getting frustrated at my lack of > finding the "easy" ones. As the proud owner of the third-largest collection of Not Found logs in the state, permit me to welcome you to our collective addiction. The frustration doesn't go away until you do find them, but sometimes the frustration enhances the ultimate satisfaction when you do find 'em. As proof, I offer into evidence our multiple log entries on Holiday Cache (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=16160). It took us four tries before we were successful, although I think after all our whining they did upgrade the difficulty rating from 1 to 2. This wasn't as a result of being inexperienced, either. When we did finally find it, it was the 147th notch in our GPSr. > Some sites I've been to about 5 > times and still haven't come across the cache containers. Since I can't locate any Not Found logs for you I can't offer you any specific advice, but keep in mind that lots of urban caches are hidden for the purpose of providing a challenging find (very small containers, well-camouflaged, etc.). > However, I love the fact that I'm up early and out of the > house on the weekends and _doing_ something interesting that > I'm finding challenging and enjoyable! And that is what it's really all about. Happy caching! Steve Team Tierra Buena PS: I wonder how AzFastFeet passed us for second most not-founds? I can't wait till this meeting is over so I can find some time to go caching again! --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Regan Smith" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] introduction Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:46:07 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Steve when you go caching again would you like some company as I need to sit again with a master... Heather the feelings you have are very normal the first cache we found took less than 3 minutes the second cache took nearly 7 hours and 4 visits and I then knew what it meant to be as blind as a deaf bat.. Bats do have poor eyesight but rely on their ears for the sonic signal. so a deaf bat would be pretty bad off... as you continue and even become addicted you will develop what I call Satellite Karma, this is when you can walk right up to cache and other times you find yourself in a farmers field.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] introduction > > My name is Heather > > HI, HEATHER! > > > I know to you experienced cachers, the urban cachers are > > "just too easy," but I'm getting frustrated at my lack of > > finding the "easy" ones. > > As the proud owner of the third-largest collection of Not Found logs in > the state, permit me to welcome you to our collective addiction. The > frustration doesn't go away until you do find them, but sometimes the > frustration enhances the ultimate satisfaction when you do find 'em. As > proof, I offer into evidence our multiple log entries on Holiday Cache > (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=16160). It took us > four tries before we were successful, although I think after all our > whining they did upgrade the difficulty rating from 1 to 2. This wasn't > as a result of being inexperienced, either. When we did finally find it, > it was the 147th notch in our GPSr. > > > Some sites I've been to about 5 > > times and still haven't come across the cache containers. > > Since I can't locate any Not Found logs for you I can't offer you any > specific advice, but keep in mind that lots of urban caches are hidden > for the purpose of providing a challenging find (very small containers, > well-camouflaged, etc.). > > > However, I love the fact that I'm up early and out of the > > house on the weekends and _doing_ something interesting that > > I'm finding challenging and enjoyable! > > And that is what it's really all about. Happy caching! > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > PS: I wonder how AzFastFeet passed us for second most not-founds? I > can't wait till this meeting is over so I can find some time to go > caching again! > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com End of Az-Geocaching Digest