Howdy All, I just wrote to the 'Mr ED'. The one that said we were illiterate, sign shooting, animal pooping, outdoor mating, trespassers on his property. I think he was just angry at the way his property is being vandalized, and the article points the finger at us, so he assumes that we are responsible. So Im trying to contact him to discuss this further. What I want to do is show him there are no caches on his property. That would show geocachers aren't resonsible for his problems. BUT, If there HAS been a cache placed on his property, then that only means that someone obviously placed a cache without his permission. If that is the case what I am recommending is along the lines of what Kyle was saying: We have a Geocaching Rally on his property to clean up the 'mess' and invite the so called 'reporter' as well. Here is my response to him via email: Mr. Ed, I just read your response posted to the Geocaching LISTSERV. I can understand that you may be upset at the disregard and disrespect of your land, I would be as well, I do think you are directing your anger in the wrong direction. I and another team geocacher (among a few others) are in the Law Enforcement field. Most of the geocachers I have met are in the tech, medical, military, and a few other fields that consist of primarily middle to upper class folks that I would guess are about the same age as yourself. I cant speak for every cacher out there, so I will speak about the ones I have met, as well as myself. I / we will not trespass on posted property. I / we do not litter and on most occasions will pick up litter following the 'cache in trash out' motto of geocaching. I although do carry a firearm in the course of my duties, DO NOT shoot up signs. I / we have homes as well as the money to afford appropriate mating grounds. The list can go on, but you said you have heard it all, like I have. What seems to be the problem is: Your property was littered and vandalized. You see a story in the paper that seems familiar. Most of what was written in that story was not true. One reference was Lake Pleasant, where a cache was removed. At the time the cache was removed, only 3 visits were made to that cache. The amount of vandalism that was reported at that area could not have been made in 3 visits. I believe the reporter did not investigate that article appropriately. If I did that type of work I would be out of a job or involved in a lawsuit. I will make you an offer. I would like to meet with you and show you two things: 1) We will look to see if there ever was a geocache placed on your property, which will prove whether geocachers could be responsible. If there has been one placed on your property, I have something in mind that might satisfy you in that area, respond for details. 2) Go on a geocaching find with us to see what its about before you make an opinion. You say its a waste of time. Would you also say hiking, camping, fishing, ect. is a waste of time? I have placed a few caches in different states, in my home town, at my childhood fishing spot and campground, and at my favorite park. Also I have placed a few in parks here in AZ, so more people could visit and have the pleasure as well. This letter is getting longer that I had planned. I feel like my integrity has been challenged, as well as some fine people that have chosen to geocache as recreation. I believe in all fairness as a reasonable person, you will feel compelled to investigate this matter a little more than believing everything you see in print. If you would like to take my offer or respond, feel free, I welcome you to do so. Thank you for you time, and Im looking forward to hearing from you. J Hall, T Angel Team Spring I need feed back on this, is it a good idea, and would anyone be willing to try and clear our sullied reputation by a good deed/s? Thanks, J&T& Harry - Team Spring