At 08:16 PM 6/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >"...does a real disservice...": Absolutely! Consider this scenario: A >cacher tries to find a cache on the Coronado NF. They get stopped by the >Forest Service. When asked, "Why are you in a closed area?" How do they >answer? If they answer that they were geocaching, then how are the Forest >Service line officers going to preceive geocaching? This is why I think it is so important to list the caches in question as disabled. It shows a level of responsibility on the part of the cache owner. If someone decided to break the rules and actually go after the cache, it will be purely their fault. While the managing authority of the forest might not see it that way, we are doing our part. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache