I think that one point that has not been brought out is that the Forest Service simply does not have enough resources/personnel to staff all the roads and trailheads to check someone's intentions. It is not fair, but it is reality. I've dealt peripherally with the FS personnel for over 2 years now up in the Prescott area, and listened and witnessed their frustrations and concerns. When conditions are like they are, they simply have to close it off with gates, barricades and signs, and then patrol randomly inside the closures (and checking parked cars at trailheads...hint) as best they can. (Then anybody choosing to ignore the closure and enter runs the risk of getting caught and paying the heavy fines). This is not ideal, and as I said, it is not fair at all, but it is the way it currently is. Two summers ago, the Jeep Posse was called upon to patrol 4 heavy-use areas in the forest/urban interface on Friday and Saturday evenings, to look for people illegally using fire. (Campers, kids partying, and the homeless were the greatest concern.) We were effective, but the problem is that there are only 3 Law Enforcement Rangers for the entire Prescott Nat'l Forest. We had the poor "law dog" running back and forth all night, as we are non-confrontational and could only report locations of violators, watch them and wait for the Ranger to show up. It is amazing how many people simply ignored the law and had fires going, and smoking, too. Not fair, but something we have to live with and accept for the greater good of the community, I guess. If the monsoon arrives on time, we only have about 6 weeks to worry about. My .02 cents. On Wed, 22 May 2002, "C. Sullivan" wrote > > > > On Wed, 22 May 2002, Mike Schwarz wrote: > > > A day hiker is limited to a day pack, water bottles, and a few other > > items. Again, I'd like to know of a specific instance where a day > > hiker started a forest fire. If no one can cite any such instances, > > I'll assume that means "no contest" from everybody. > > By definition, somebody who hikes out to a remote spot to start an arson > fire would be a "day hiker." > > > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~