So how is this new and innovative ... just sounds like a virtual cache to me.. guess they couldnt admit they were wrong in getting rid of virtuals...and making them waypointing... Jason Azgeocaching.com MEL HOCKWITT wrote: We now have Challenge caches to accept, we have issued a challenge in the Tucson area to anyone that wants to find it. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Have fun. http://www.geocaching.com/challenges/search.aspx?st=loc&q=85737&lat=32.4044445&lng=-110.98642940000002&p=1&sort=t&dir=desc Stay safe and healthy, Carolyn & Mel (Carmel)